people under the obama administration. but it was a remarkable thing to hear. because who could really believe that other than people who had come from these institutions. and my response, of course, is "where have you been for the last couple of years? what rock have you been under, that you haven't seen that these guys would sell their soul for a few basis points of profit?" that ideas like they wouldn't risk their reputations or wouldn't embarrass themselves again, as bill dudley, the president of the new york fed said to me when i complained about relying too heavily on credit-rating agencies. this was the core ideology and approach of how they viewed the financial crisis. it wasn't the bank's fault. and if we could just trust them, we'll be in a good place again. >> and yet, there haven't been prosecutions have there, of these -- the people culpable for this crash? >> no, i mean, what our office did was to detect, prosecute, investigate, and refer for prosecution those who tried to steal from the program. so we were blocked out of any activities that occurred before tarp. because
